Mar 162010
Lecrae performs “Dont Waste Your Life” at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, MN during morning service.
Lecrae performs “Dont Waste Your Life” at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, MN during morning service.
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@fecklessman
now theres no point arguing back and forth with comments because, clearly, it isn’t going anywhere. So I recommend you look on both sides of the argument and find it out for yourself. God bless
@fecklessman
If you see a kid with a do-rag, his pants sagging, and a wife beater you know, just by your instincts that that kid listens to hip hop, not just occasionally but ALL THE TIME.
@fecklessman
now you deny that hip hop is a religion. why don’t you prove me wrong? go look it up. find the founding fathers of hip hop and see what they have to say about it. KRS 1 wrote a hip hop bible, “Gospel of Hip Hop”. Bambataa (the godfather of hip hop) says that black people are gods. Go look it up if you think i’m lying.
@fecklessman You have misunderstood me completely. Put it like this, if you put a frog in hot, boiling water the frog will immediately leap out. But if you put a frog in lukewarm water and slowly boil it, it will stay in that water and die from the heat. It’s the same with subcultures. I’m not saying that when a person first listens to a hip hop song, he immediately changes his character. Thats absurd. What I’m saying is that over a period of time he gradually changes.
according to your statement that hip-hop as a subculture ‘dictates how people should talk, walk, dress, look, act, etc.’ which means that the subculture is prescriptive. it tells you what to do. this is not true. it is DEscriptive. it tells you what persons within that subculture generally do.
you’re really good at doublespeak, but you’re not convincing anyone bro. saying ‘hip-hop is a religion following the prophet krs-one’ doesn’t make it so.
so first you say: ‘I’m against the subculture of hip hop. a subculture which dictates how people should talk, walk, dress, look, act, etc.’
then you say: ‘I’m not saying that when a person wants to join a subculture, it tells him that first he needs to wear certain things, no i’m not saying that at all.’
really? because that’s EXACTLY what it sounds like you’re saying. say what you mean.
@fecklessman “you are making a categorical error in your reasoning”
Show me where i’m making that error.
@fecklessman The fact still remains that if you get into a subculture long enough, you will start to look, talk and act they way it wants you to. I’m not saying that when a person wants to join a subculture, it tells him that first he needs to wear certain things, no i’m not saying that at all. I’m just saying that the longer you stay in that subculture, the more damaging it is to your life.
@fecklessman No. The distinction between a culture and a subculture is simple: a child is born in a certain culture, whether it be Western, African, Asian, whatever. A child has no choice in which culture he associates himself with because he is just born into a culture. However, a person can choose to affiliate himself in a subculture, whether it be hip hop, gothic, greaser, etc.
you are making a categorical error in your reasoning.
subcultures are descriptive, not prescriptive. they don’t dictate how to talk, walk, dress, act or look, they describe whatthose within that given subculture do.
the whole purpose of referring to it as a subculture is to draw a distinction between the culture from which one draws their morals and actions and the subculture which describes certain aspects of their lifestyle. prove what i’m saying to be wrong, and i’ll believe you.
Excuse me, I meant to say more black MEN in prison than in college.
Fatherlessness is the breeding habitat for hip hop. It literally feeds on kids (especially boys) who are raised by a single mom or who have weak fathers. If you listen to hip hop artists these days, most, if not all, were raised by their mom and their dad either died or left when they were young, leaving them no example of how to be a man. hip hop fills that void. THAT is why, as of 2000, there are more black people IN PRISON THAN IN COLLEGE!!!!! FACT!
again what your saying is completely irrelevent to this topic. I’m not against rapping. I’m not against the style of rapping. I’m against the subculture of hip hop. a subculture which dictates how people should talk, walk, dress, look, act, etc. hymns originated from bars (according to you) but it doesnt dictate my life. It doesn’t tell me how to talk, walk, dress, act or look, neither does rapping. But hip hop does and you can’t deny that, period.
It requires you to look a certain way, walk a certain way, act a certain way, talk a certain way etc, etc. You cannot deny that. I don’t doubt you when you say that hymns originated from drunks singing in a bar, but its completely irrelevant to what I’m saying. Its not the style of music its the subculture. hymns doesnt make people dress, act or talk a certain way does it? Neither does rapping. but hip hop does. tell me I’m wrong…and if I am prove it.
Maybe your correct on the history of hymns but its not the type of music I’m against. It’s the image which that music turns people into Please, read the previous comments i made. I am not against rap. Please understand that. Rap is a way of expressing music, like singing and humming or whistling for that matter. Personally I prefer singing but thats another issue.
Recently, church scholars have presented pretty convincing proof that Luther and the Wesleys did NOT do so, and that the legend arose from a misconception about the word “bar tune” or “bar form,” which seminary students assumed meant a tune sung in local drinking establishments, but is actually a form of poetry popular in Medieval times — a different kind of bar altogether.
Why don’t you through the idea of hip hop out of your thinking and just listen to and receive the word of God? fecklessmen is correct. The music of all the great old hymns we love and respect today were Saloon Bar Room tunes. The opposition was incredible, but God prevailed. This concept is not new, as is the Saul to Paul conversion. Today you are that opposition, but no one can ever stop what God is doing. Acts 26:14
@911TruthSeeker91 the music used for hymns started as drinking songs, genius. you act like God isn’t in the business of redemption.
@911TruthSeeker91 Amen brother!!!
Again lets take your position. Since hip hop is a religion and that christians can use certain things about hip hop such as the music, then it wouldn’t be wrong for a Christian to practice yoga, would it? sure buddhism and hinduism is a religion and not from God, but we can use certain parts of the religion which are known to bring peace in people’s minds and so that they can get a decent exercise in the process, right?
Do you see where this is going?
God did not create hip hop in His image did He? He created man in His own image which is why by His grace men can be saved through faith in Christ. If we take your argument you can argue the same case for animals. Why can’t God save animals? Because he didn’t create animals in His image.
oh I see. So you want to use fleshy methods to bring the lost in the church? No where in the Scriptures is there any reference to evangelism using music. I would not use hymns to bring in the world I would preach the gospel of Jesus Christ because only that has the power to bring men to salvation. Everything else is vanity. To be drawn by music is to be drawn by emotion, pure and simple.
@911TruthSeeker91 If you take someone off the streets and have them listen to Hymns they wouldn’t be likely to listen
@911TruthSeeker91 So you wouldnt think that something that was made evilly could not be used for Gods glory? It says in the Bible that we were born with sinful nature so following your logic we cant be used because we are tainted While what you are saying is correct that hip-hop was started out as a religion, however that mindset is limiting God from being able to be glorified to the people that listen to that genera of music.
i was there i luv christian rap more after hearing him during offertory